Shriek! One of us no longer works for an environmental charity.

Is this the end?

A more reflective / fewer-knob-jokes episode than usual. What happens when trying to change stuff gets all a bit bloody exhausting? How do we know whether anything we’re doing is making the tiniest bit of difference?

And – look, we KNOW it’s a mid-life crisis, all right?

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