Panic not! We’re back! And everything’s gone rubbish! Donald Trump and Tony Abbott are happening. And the new UK Government is setting fire to everything green.

How on earth do we stay optimistic? We interview professional climate optimist, Alice Bell, and get her top tips for not giving up and going home.

This is the first episode of season two of Sustainababble – your weekly comedy podcast about politics, prattle and the planet. Out Mondays.

Music by Dicky Moore from Bearcraft.

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