Can a bacon butty really be as bad for you as smoking? Is meat just a no no if you’re keen on the planet?

Food and farming expert Vicki Hird joins us to answer these questions and more.

Also this week, bees, Belgium and a bit of bother for Shell.

Sustainababble is your weekly comedy podcast about politics, prattle and the planet. Out Mondays.

Music by Dicky Moore from Bearcraft and Dream Themes.

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